A 2009 research by the world renowned, Pew Research Centre, has revealed that the generational gap between the young and old today is as wide as it was 40 years ago whether it is in terms of social values, use of technology, work ethic and respect & tolerance for others. For example, the younger people today are seen to be very technologically adept whilst older adults are seen to have better manners, work ethic and social values.
However, 40 years after the Woodstock music festival which was the defining journey for many young adults in experiencing counter-culture, rock music, drugs and free love, it seems there is now broad agreement between the young and old in America ( and the world?) in one area – a shared musical taste! Whereas about half of adults disliked rock n roll music back in 1969, today only 17% hold this opinion. In fact, rock n roll music is now the most popular form of music compared to Country, R&B, Blues, Hip Hop, Jazz and Latin.
The only exception to the love for rock n roll music are amongst those adults aged over 65 who seemingly prefer Country music.
Interesting social phenomenon unveiled by the 2009 Pew Research.
Unless they really meant to include the other the forms of music also associated with the broader "Country" canon; like Bluegrass, Appalachian, etc.
2. There is a lot of crap talked about the Woodstock Generation, AKA Baby Boomers & hippies and "if you can remember you weren't there, man."
You can see by the actions and voting trends that a big chunk of this age group has bugger all concern for peace and love, fairness and equity. This is the age group that has been running this country and its businesses for quite a while.
They voted for the right-wing wasteful excesses of Kennet, the bland, cold expedience of Howard and the blind ideology of Keating. They happily allowed the running down and selling-off of public assets and support services.
It was my father's generation who came back from the horror of WW2 with a belief in working together to make the world better for all.
What was seen, done and perceived as Rock and Roll at Woodstock and in those years called "A Rock n Roll" lifestyle WAS NOT Rock n Roll
That phrase has been BASTARDISED in the extreme, call it Rock if you like but it "IS NOT AND WAS NOT" Rock n Roll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The people who are REAL Rock n Roll performers and fans did not behave in the way that the "Sex Drug and Rock n Roll" is depicted.
Yes there were exceptions, but even the exceptions were not as outrageous Junkies Alcoholic Sex Maniac Vandals as those of the 60's, and musicians and performers if they want to be politicians should stand for election not try to influence a misguided biased youth fan base!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Believe me also there was NO SHARED TASTE for Rock n Roll, if you didnt like what the Woodstock Generation liked you were ostracized as some sort of freak, but believe me also when I say those that DID stay true to Rock n Roll can certainly do without that generation, did then do now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
People have there own freedom of choices, however the people of that age still try today to force their views onto others, PC, Human Rights, Love Not War, Equality, ffs when is someone going to actually realize that is dreamland for those of us who kept our minds rather than blowing them out of our mouths noses or any other orifice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As for Country Music being an off shoot of Rock n Roll you sure got that ass backwards, Country Music in many forms has existed way back before Rock n Roll
And oh yes, I remember those days vividly and I was there, and I remember them because I was not an irresponsible a, r, s, e, hole!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AND I KEEP THE FAITH TODAY for REAL MUSIC not synthesized distorted crap
Boom Boom Tede.It frustrates me when you hear of a rock n roll event to find they intend playing 70s and 80s sh-t.Or you look on ebay for rock n roll clothing and up pops Led Zepplin or guns and roses, . Don jovi is a rocker ,not a rock n roller and yes it freaks me out when they brand all load music as rock n roll when the true stuff came from the late 40,s and most probably ended as I wish to remember it around the time the rolling stones and the beatles hit the radio. Sure a few groups tried to keep the flame alive and had hits doing so but rock n roll was pushed back every time to make way for the crap that we get thrown at us now .Easy listening stations are a blessing otherwise I,d go crazy. In the times I would have parties at home and in those days I listened to Deep purple,iron butterfly etc.When the party seemed to be dragging a little I would spin a Sam Cook tune or two and before you knew it the party was full noise again. Rock n roll will be with us forever if we can keep them interested and at this moment we are doing a good job of bringing new blood into the scene with the younger ones digging rockabilly. So many new rock n roll festivals and rockabilly festivals coming next year all makes for our music being with us for awhile yet. Rock n roll is the Fifties , the rest is just rock
You bewdy. I love talking about the taxonomy of Rock'n'Roll/Rock.
I like most bits and pieces of most of Rock's many variations. In particular I tend to enjoy Rockabilly and Roots Rock; but not every song. I also tend to like a lot of the music that preceded Rock like Jump Blues, Swing, Western Swing and R&B.
(Inter alia I like Pipe Music and Gregorian Chants too but that is getting too far away from the story.)
Anybody, please tell me in precise music annotation terms what features make a song Rock'n'Roll.
Can't? Well until you can please accept that there is one broad term that encompasses a spectrum of sub-genres of Rock. Maybe it is imprecise but it works.
The performers at Woodstock did songs that ranged through pop crap to folk to ragas to Acid Rock to Classic Rock to Latin Jazz and on and on.
Tede, so who is on your list as a REAL R'n'R performer? "The people who are REAL Rock n Roll performers and fans did not behave in the way that the "Sex Drug and Rock n Roll" is depicted." Cliff Richard & Pat Boone maybe?
So where do Bon Scott and Stevie Wright fit in?
Some tunes fit right in the middle of the sub-genre, others tend to stray across the boundaries.
Try this - Name me a few songs (including Country songs that you believe are not Rock) and I will attempt tell you their category.
Well RobE you have a point but I replied because it,s that music I listen to.The music that came out of the late 40,s and the early 60s is what I call rock n roll.The music from this era that was written with a completely different view on the way we live nowdays. I like some tunes from Cheap trick and Billy Swan.Their attempts to recreate the 50,s sound is commendable and I will dance to it as they sing the song and retain the original words. Songs of the 50,s were special as most were about holding a girls hand ,stealing a kiss late at night (around 12 o clock). Do you really think by dissecting the music you will find a true rock n roll song. Maybe if you ask a 20 year old what makes a rock n roll tune then you could very well get an answer. Ask our age group and I feel your answer will be its the music we grew up with. Some tunes take me back to a time that I remember as being so much friendlier ,not so fast.I also remember hearing a FROM A JACK TO A KING on a radio that my Dad didnt quite tune in. And yes that song is regarded to be a country song but who cares. Songs like these you can dance rock n roll to. The Rolling Stones had a rock n roll dance beat but Listen to the lyrics.They wrote about the world they lived in and it was a far different world than that of the 50,s. Woodstock was without question a pit full of free love ,drug taking fools that in general would have to have brought the album to know the songs sung at the festival. Saying that they were living their lives the way they thought was the norm. The 50s gave us so much ,the music the cars are now all sort after now. The music can be copied and the cars can be redone .but the cars were terrible to drive compared to todays cars and yet we still must have them why ,because we love the complete 50s. Sure Stevie Wright, Bon Scott were great,but play a complete ACDC CD at a dance and the punters would walk out. Rock n roll tunes/music are associated with rock n roll dancing,as is some country rock. Again ,if you advertised a country rock dance you would most probably lose money because its not rock n roll ,but you can dance to alot of it. My opinion only but I love rock n roll because it is dance music .Some Jerry lee stuff,Elvis,little Richard ,Buddy Holly,Bill Haley and anyone that you can name ,and there are plenty of them sang songs that were not all dance tunes. I think Woodstock should be called a music festival ,it certainly was not rock n roll. Rock n roll music was long gone by the time the hippies hit and gave birth to Woodstock.. It,s almost like saying Sunbury was rock n roll ,come on . I was there and never saw one couple dancing rock n roll. Man we were some where else in space back then . I expect we as copiers were doing what they did at Woodstock. Sorry RobE ,no rock n roll like we listened to on the radio was at Woodstock. My view is anything that sounds like 50s rock n roll ,was written in the 50s as rock n roll and makes us want to dance rock n roll is ROCK N ROLL
RobE sorry but I wont even justify by answering some of your facile and ill conceived comparisons and comments!
Other than to say you either know or you don't know by experience, biography, discography and material ownership what is Rock n Roll, clearly you dont!
You would probably love ownership of my bin?????????
But you probably wouldn't even be aware of a lot of the people in my collection!!!!!!!!
It didn't surprise me that one of my posts identified that some here think Bill Haley is a POM Ha aha ahahhahahhah???
"please accept that there is one broad term that encompasses a spectrum of sub-genres of Rock. Maybe it is imprecise but it works."
The term Rock was never even invented when Rock n Roll became the phenomenon it is, so that alone excludes it as a "sub-genres of Rock" in fact if it is even to be considered the reverse is fact!
Clearly that argument doesn't work and is no where near precise, and most of the names you mention don't fit in either!
"Try this - Name me a few songs (including Country songs that you believe are not Rock) and I will attempt tell you their category. "
The very thought that you would know yourself is a scary prospect based on what your opinion is so far, BUT, Google is a wonderful tool innit RobE????????????
And there are many many boundaries for true fans of Rock n Roll, Pat Boone for one!!!!!!!!!!!!
I wont go into the antisocial aspect of the overpaid egotistical arrogant prats that would like to be considered, their very lifestyles exclude them from reality!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bop ON
Last edited by Belfast Tede; 14-12-2010 at 08:58 AM.
It's sad to see one of the elderly - which I hasten to add, I'm well into that demographic myself - losing sight of change in society and cling to past memories as if they were yesterday and with such uncontrollable passion. So be it, I guess.
I love blues, some Country, bluegrass, 15th century baroque/Elizabethan music, and, I even enjoy ballet and opera. I also love music which makes me want to rock and roll.
Guess I'll have to join RobE in the 21st century and wish you well in your endeavours, BelfastTede.
If it was a tirade you would be counting the contents of yer undies, that was just a little peck in the ass
Passion yes, but nothing to consider as a discussion point, not for those that really know their music and in particular Rock n Roll
Elderly yes, and knowledge comes with that, to some
Losing sight of changes to society, no, ignoring yes, WTF do you see that is so great about the 21st Century, your welcome to it
Clinging to past memories, yes and learning from them and those that are actually worth cherishing in todays society, not much of that available tho
Big words now theres a thing, dont care much for them, their usually a sign of a superior attitude and arrogance, straight talking now thats summat that not many understand
As for my endeavors, do I really give a chit about what people think of mine, sorry bout as much as I care about monkey farts, or old farts
OK GUYS let the POM BASHING commence as you appear to have a hang up about that too
40 years after Woodstock
I love talking about the taxonomy of Rock'n'Roll/Rock.
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