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  1. #21

    Re: Culture Shock or just misguided

    Tede this is a quote from your long message which I need to point out to you

    "We had by way of music, the big band years, the likes of Ted Heath and Victor Sylvestor and this spawned the crooners"

    Taking that a bit further did this not then in turn spawn Rock & Roll like Rockabilly was spawned from Hillabilly

    The UK scene I have noticed is different from the Aussie scene and I know it is totally different to the US scene, so what, the one thing we have in common is that we all enjoy (love in some cases) the music ...
    Last edited by dealbaggie; 27-09-2010 at 07:11 AM.

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    Smile Re: Culture Shock or just misguided

    Interesting Reveiws Tede,and Whilst Some Of Us Apreciate Your Opinions,dont Shove It Down Our Throats?as True Gospel...i For One Really Dont Give A Stuff?if You Are A Ted,mod ?biker,hippie Or Northen Irishman,as Far As Im Aware?rock N Roll Evolved Out Of Rockabilly,and Other Forms Of Dance Music From The Blackman In America Pre,1953,54.chuck Berry,little Richard,the Platters? Were Originals, But Copied Or Robbed?or Manipulated Out Of There Dues Because Of Racism In America At That Time..with Bill Hayley And His Comets,and The Great Elvis Presley,whom They Nicknamed The Rockabilly Cat?carl Perkins,johnny Cash,buddy Holly,gene Vincent,billy Lee Riley,eddie Cochran,etc From That Era All Had A Tune Or Two To Add To There Own Style,others Came Into There Own,in The Late 50s Like,fabian,dion,the Everly Brothers,rick Nelson To Name A Few,from Britain, The Beatles,the Rolling Stones Etc,coming Into The Early Sixties,where I Still Maintain?the Beatles,thru Clever Management Changed Music Forever,with The Great Pop Explosion,but Always Maintained There Links To Rocknroll Thru The Insistence Of There Lead Singer,john Lennon...and The Stones,still?rated As The Greatest Rocknroll Band In The World Today(i Dont Mean Original Rnr Either)your Main Sense Of Amusement Here Seems To Be?other Peoples Taste In Music?and The Way People Dance To Rocknroll?or Live That Era..other Than The Fact You Maintain?teddy Boy Culture Was The Only Way To Live Then,sorry,everyone Else Moved Into There Own Way Of Life Thru The 50s And 60s,and Were Staunch To There Own Friends And Clubs(i Dont Call Clubs Gangs)wether They Have Insigna On There Backs Or Not..i Must Have Early Morning Blues Here?my Opinion Only,and Always Feel Free To Express Yours(again)tezza.

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    Smile Re: Culture Shock or just misguided

    Hey Belfast Ted I have been reading your posts re your supposed association with Teddys & after reading your last post where you make mention of Boogie Woogie, I thought it appropriate to send a reply, now these links have been on this site before, and considering some of the posts you have brought back from years ago, you may have read or seen it already, but I think John Tennison may get some useful info from you considering he has been doing his research since 2004 and it’s ongoing, I also attach a couple of clips of some young up and coming, who will hopefully continue the tradition, of that good old music, we love so much.

    http://nonjohn.com/History%20of%20Boogie%20Woogie.htm

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHmVDyne8c8
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8TAC82__as
    Last edited by gjo267; 27-09-2010 at 02:18 PM.
    Aspire to inspire - - - before you Expire !

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    Re: Culture Shock or just misguided

    Ted you seem to have stirred up a hornets nest. I agree with you feelings towards rock and roll and dance as we see it around melbourne. To me it is sanatised pop style dance run by a few big mega star dance teachers. But I disagree with you when you say rockabilly is an ofshoot of rock and roll. Sam Phillips, Jerry Lee Lewis often said there was no difference between rockabilly and rock and roll. But they did acknowledge that there was pop music as there were pop radio stations. Jerry lee Lewis was banned for 10 years by the pop radio stations and that effectivly ended his career. The sixties saw the B's take over Bobbie Vee, Bobby Darren, gee I've forgotten the others but a whole lot of singers seemed to have names starting with B.

    It is also interesting that the Teddy Boys seemed to have a love affair with Jerry Lee Lewis and that they effectivly kept him at the forefront of music in Europe while he was banned in America. One could hardly compare the style of show that Jerry gave to a Bobby Darin show.

    Rockabilly in Melbourne or modern rockabilly is a new genre. But thats another story

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    Re: Culture Shock or just misguided

    Jacrussel
    Your user name suits you.

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    Re: Culture Shock or just misguided

    Politics now "lefty communist anarchists" .

    I am socialist and proud to be one.

    The pommies cursed us with Thatcherism.

    Australia's important services and utilities continue to be sold off. Then, surprise, surprise, badly maintained power lines burned down a big chunk of Victoria. The trains don't actually run on time. Pretty soon banks will be charging us to breathe "their" air.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGXOjm95WWo

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    Make sure your R'n'R club or dance school is getting best value.

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    Re: Culture Shock or just misguided

    The only thing worse that a whinging pom is a know all pom. All I know is that in 1955 I was 16 and the music we had then was fifties Rock and roll. Haley and his comets, Duane Eddy, Gene Vincent , Chubby checker, Little Richard, Freddy Bell, Presley, Platters and many more.

    I personally couldn't give a tuppenny stuff what happened in the UK in the fifties, but I do know what happened here and it was a great time and we didn't need Teddy Boys to guide us poor colonials how to dance then, and we still don't.

  8. #28

    Re: Culture Shock or just misguided

    Gave it a bit of time before responding, as I knew MY experiences and views would be controversial and differ from the scene in Aussie, and I needed a bit of time to decipher some, He He.

    Taking the comments in some sort of order, and apologies as its gonna be a long thread: -

    DB – the dance band era didn’t really spawn Rock n Roll in the UK, whilst forms of jiving were catered for from previous US influences, Rock N Roll really filtered its way to us from the States in a totally different form.
    From my particular location there were a lot of Naval visits and civvi shipping and the records and culture were transferred to the local community.
    My extended family was pretty large and of an age that they had varied interests in the music, no telly in them days also so music and radio were the media that was on offer, and we had a lot of social events {Piss Ups} and a few of the visiting Yanks, and Canadians also, were often invited and passed on stuff we couldn’t obtain or even afford in some cases!

    Tezza – I could be rude but will leave that to you, your doing OK.
    If you read all that’s been put up, and you “don’t give a stuff”, why do you bother to respond.
    If you have read what’s been put you will note that there have been requests and interest to know of MY experiences and views of the UK scene, that’s what I’ve done, I leave gospels to the sky pilots!
    If it sticks in your throat, cough it up mate, it don’t infect me!
    You wont get any disagreement from me about the evolution you mention about the States, but you missed a lot you probably are unaware of about the UK Rock n Roll scene from the 50’s to the 60’s and its decline.
    The media has a lot to answer to in respect of the perceptions expressed here, by others!
    Rockers for instance was a name fabricated by the press, we considered our selves motorcyclists doing what other motorcyclist had done previously, ie ton up kids, another press fabrication, weren’t many machines could actually do that or places to try, though some did!
    The 60’s Beat and Pop bands for sure did change music and whilst they may have had their roots in Rock n Roll, what they produced and what they tried to portray themselves as is COMPLETELY different from Rock n Roll and I don’t see or hear any form of link!
    Therefore there is no way “I” will ever accept the ludicrous statement, who ever invented it, probably the media hype again, that the Stone are the Greatest “Rock n Roll band” in the World, the name of the genre’s should never have been linked in the 1st place.
    There may be influences, but what came out ain’t nothing like what influenced it!
    My “sense of amusement” as you put it is as I said before, MY perception as a TED because that is what I AM, it would be hypocritical of me to give you a perception of a scene from a view point of anything else, although some obviously do?????
    If I were a Skinhead talking about it, maybe you would prefer that, then you may have a valid point???????

    If your perception is that I maintain the Ted lifestyle as the only way to live, YOUR WRONG AGAIN, these are MY views on MY life experience that some want to hear!
    What I do object too is, as happened in the 60’s, is someone trying to dictate to me what I should like, or else.
    How these people, then and now, can look down on those who like the same as I do, because they don’t, like we are some sort of **** dragged in on some ones shoe and are, particularly now, attempting, very poorly, to emulate just is not acceptable to me.
    If they want to come into the scene, that I like, then do it with a sense of trying to engage, learn and integrate, not subversively try to dictate, change and take it over!
    If they can’t do this then go do it on their own, that’s not a problem!

    Some factual examples; someone started a small magazine from the Rockin’ crowd which was available at gigs that had somewhat controversial opinion in it so the local self-imposed “Jive Baron” took legal action and had it banned?
    The same “Baron” ran a 60’s dance club and decided to start a 50’s club too as a lot of his “members” were into Leroc, Sciroc and Mojive so he opened it and to start with put on reasonable bands, only problem was he did it on the same night as another local gig?
    Not just happy with that he opened another, which clashed with a different gig a local band had been running and performing at for several years, and put on better bands, until the local bands gig had to close for lack of attendance and at which point he put up prices and put on lower grade bands at both his venues and eventually to close the second one leaving the first one to run still on the same dates as the other local gig?
    A Rockin’ club decided to ban jivers because of their poor purchasing of drink and wanting to monopolise the dance floor and change the style of music by moaning it didn’t fit their style.
    They then used our PC discrimination legislation to stop the club banning them, even though the venue had the right to refuse anyone they felt were unsuitable entry under UK law?
    Now thats NOT right, it’s a restrictive practice that affects long term Rock n Roll fans like myself who have supported the Music, bands, venues and DJ’s, alters the style of music, because a band or DJ has to change to be employed, and for those that wont change affects their performing opportunities, and is less earning potential for venues, outcome less gigs!!!!!!!!!!

    As for gangs and insignia, never been in one never had one, a gathering of people going about peacefully within an shared interest don’t make a gang, unlike the organised mobs that tried to force their opinion on us, the press make a good living feeding you the crap and you suck it all in!

    gjo267 – Nice link, will put it on our site, bands not bad either and always nice to see youngsters getting into the scene, hope they don’t go too psycho though like some do, that ain’t pleasant on the ears?
    Have also noticed that not too many of your bands are into the retro style of clothing or hairstyles; have to send ya over a barrel of POMade or GREASE He He?
    Guess the weather there may have summat to do with it, don’t want to fry your heads, some may have though HeHe!

    Jacrussel – Lets call it a swarm of midges m8, irritating but not dangerous???
    Agree with you about Rockabilly; don’t think I said it was an offshoot of Rock n Roll, a different style yes!
    Rockabilly was an unknown pretty much as a title for the style as the music itself was even though some performed in the style in the early days.
    Rock n Roll can best be described as an all encompassing name now for many sub-genres, whilst in the 50’s all those sub-genres were just called Rock n Roll, for instance Little Richard [50’s Rock n Roll] well known, Charlie Feathers [Rockabilly] was unheard of, also Johnny Burnettes early stuff we now know as Rockabilly was unheard then, what was released by him, or rather his label/management in the 50’s was Rock n Roll.
    It has to be remembered that the music then was heavily censored, as were the artists, for many reasons!

    Think its fair to say that the Teds have a love affair with JLL’s music and rebellious style and not his morals?
    It was the Teds you’ll remember who started the barracking at his gigs in the UK about his marriage that led to him departing, but I think he had been forgiven by the 70’s, which was a time of looser morals?

    Modern rockabilly has to be another sub-genre, love the rockin’ blues influenced stuff!

    ConvictColin – Ha ha, lots can be presumed from names, Jacrussel is that assumed as
    Feisty Terrier that attacks rodent pests, he he?????????

    RobE – politics if for the politicians, same as democratic process is for the masses and is determined by a majority?
    Music is for enjoyment, NOT political statement, MY point, particularly by anyone who has gained a hypocritical superior attitude and position outside of politics and been put in that position by the public who use their democratic rights as they see fit!
    DON’T try to force an opinion on people through music, and dictatorship which most of the socialist world does or did in my opinion, artists should not use their fan base to persuade easily misguided youth that the artists opinion is and should be adhered too, that is not a balanced view, it taking advantage of lack of knowledge and idol worshipping???
    And when was Maggie an Aussie politician anyway, if people chose to be influenced that a democratic process ain’t it???

    Cirrus – **** the old POM crap is so predictable and boring, what the hell is it all about that it’s your only excuse for everything, the very fact that its used so much makes YOU the whingers!!!!
    Know all, yes thats right, about MY experiences, yet another one who misses the point that someone asked for MY experience and MY opinion, just because you have yours don’t make mine wrong or false, or is you’re the only one that matters, how you perceive them is a problem you have???
    MY experiences are mine, as yours are yours and don’t change because yours differ???
    My opinion on your dancing is only an analogy of what I have seen on your site compared to here in the UK and I ain’t trying to tell you how to dance, if you read it right you’ll see its the opposite, MY objection is outsiders trying to influence what we have done since the 50’s and don’t want to change, our choice I think???
    I someone wants to do something different, GO do it on his or her own and stop affecting our pleasure!

    If you want to consider yourselves a colonials that’s your own stigma, and if you don’t give a tuppenny stuff what happened in the UK, no one is forcing you to read this, unfortunately someone else does have an interest!!!!!!!!!
    __________________________________________________ ___________

    The saga continues later for those who may be interested He He He

    Tede

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    Wink Re: Culture Shock or just misguided

    SAY NO MORE...hi ted boy1959,ill answer your veiws and queries here rather than mouthin off in another post,yes the beatles were mop heads or whatever you guys want to call them,but?they did there apprenticships on american rocknroll in the late 50s around the clubs in hamburg,and of course the cavern club in liverpool,lets be honest,i love british music,even up to now,but?everyone,or bands worldwide copied,american rnr grassroots or rnblues from the blackman.no other issue here,,good to have you guys on site here,and enjoy...oh,and rocknroll will never die!thats why we aspire to live it.tezza.url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhllDK6C6eQ[/url]
    Last edited by tezza; 29-09-2010 at 11:13 AM. Reason: reasoning...

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    Re: Culture Shock or just misguided

    I'm a Teddy Boy / Rocker with a Quiff

    A Beatle is a mod / mop head Sorry to say but they are nothing to do with 50's style Rock 'n' Roll but than i'm a whinging know it all pom (think i got it right) they was from the 60's a very sad time for True Rock'n'Roll Fans

    the tedboy1959

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    many thanls for the welcome
    Last edited by tedboy1959; 29-09-2010 at 11:23 AM. Reason: just added a thanks
    Keep On A Rockin'

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    Re: Culture Shock or just misguided

    I for one am no longer interested in your opinions, Ted. Thanks for sharing though.

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    Re: Culture Shock or just misguided

    Yeah...the guy is just waffling "Merda"...who cares what he thinks? he is a pom, has to sook about something!!!...say no more
    "I shot a man in Reno..Just to watch him Die"

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    lol...thanks tede for your reply,i do not know any of the original rocknrollers you mentioned from the fifties in the uk,so i cant comment on there ability as musicians,tho eddie cochrane was touring britain as was johnny burnnete around the late fifties,my first impressions of british rocknroll?as a kid growing up,listening to old 45s being played by family were?cliff richard and the shadows...please dont tell me they were pop?musicians!tho cliff got his nose out of joint when the beatles arrived...and changed somewhat.as far as being rude?well i was only telling it like it is or how i saw that era,straight up!so you can take it any way you like,if none of us spoke up?and gave our veiws on your veiws?you may then be classed as?senile talkin to yourself!,again LOL!meaning?all in order here and we do appreciate your story.cheers,tezza,terry.

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    Re: Culture Shock or just misguided

    CRICKEY TEDE! man ya can type

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    Been up all nite m8

    Just call me stumpy now


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