Here’s a Lyndon quote I agree with “There is no bad music, only music played badly”. Build it and they will come … that is … Play it well and the punters keep returning. Less time analysing, more time feeling the music. Although this thread is prompting some interesting posts, I’m getting overtones of division between RobE & Lyndon. So you two, better take it out the back were I was sent. Meet you boys out here. :laugh:
Live & let Live, Love & let Love, Rock & let Roll, plus related clichés.
That is a bit unfair RobÂ…I am more interested in proving that you are wrong about being analytical about music than to let you continue doing to music that which shouldnÂ’t be done and if you really do have an open mind, you would be taking me up on my offer instead of suggesting that I move on.
There is no point in discussing it at a gig either, given the short amount of time between our breaks.
Jazza, I donÂ’t think we are becoming divisive, I just reckon that in some cases, scientific points of view run out of steam when the facts dry upÂ….Sometimes the path taken with a scientific approach is too narrow and void of looking outside the squareÂ…Not all the time, but in this case, most certainly.
I love music and it is one of the few things left in this world that we should keep for our enjoyment, not scrutiny, or formulation.
The offer is still open RobE, and I will even bring the wine.
Perhaps you can then post the result of our personal debate on this thread for those that you really think care about it.
That Forum members were able to identify the music genre Bluegrass from a list of words demonstrates that it is possible to explain what characterises different types of music.
I am not talking quality or preferences. There are all kinds of different music styles. I would never, ever claim that one form of music is better or worse than another. Dinks!
(There are types of music that I like better than others and some musicians whom I think play that type of music better than others. My preferences are highly personal based on all kinds of rational and irrational factors that rattle around only in my head.)
If we do not analyse and describe, when we do meet for that drink how will we know that the fluid in our glasses is wine and not beer?
Wine and beer are both drinks, both contain alcohol and people are passionate about them. But we can still tell them apart by their particular characteristics. And the people who really care about these things can identify the variety of wine or brand of beer by examining colour, taste, smell, etc.
Why I started this thread was because I am after is a list of technical characteristics that differentiate RockÂ’nÂ’Roll from all other forms of music.
Why? No special reason. Just because I am into Rock probably more than any of the other types of music I prefer.
Waste of time? Could be, but that might be said about most hobbies and special interests.
Sorry if I annoyed anyone? Sure, and I apologise.
Am I gonna drop this? No way! There has gotta be a list of technical characteristics that differentiate RockÂ’nÂ’Roll from all other forms of music.
My offer still stands RobE, because the more you say, the further you get away from the point.
Rock and Roll is fun.......50's & early 60's Rock and Roll in particular........only those that were there will ever really know and I am sure they just went out and enjoyed it while the academic nerds were trying to figure out what the fuss was all about and judging by your currents needs, never did find out.
I can still remember when you proudly claimed that you were a Mod in the 60's.......I rest my case. :laugh: :blink:
This is not about passion and/or musicianship or who did what in the '60s or who likes what sort of music the best.
It is about how the characterisitics of a form of music can be identified and described in words. And about identifying those words that can be used to identify Rock.
Let me know if you cannot pick what this describes.
.... particular type of 1950’s Rock‘n’Roll. It is a style that tends to be characterised by the following elements:
- 12 bar blues structure
- Moderate to fast tempo
- Country and R&B inflections
- Southern USA references in the lyrics
- The vocals may include the following:
* Exaggerated enunciation
* Added and deleted words and syllables
* Melisma (Like - "weh, uh, a, hel, a, hel the little things you say and do"
* Melodic distortions
* Slurring/Popping of syllables
* Interjections (Like - "Rock on! "
- Instruments used to get the maximum sound and rhythmic effect; pianos chorded in rhythmically dense ways and descending or ascending glissandos, guitars played with fast double and triple stops, basses being slapped to create a percussive effect.
I sure do hope you guys keep this thread going, I love it. I'm on a two hour bike ride before tea and I expect plenty of interesting posts to read tonight, that's if I'm not too tired. So out with the wit and on with the thinking caps boys. Hope raven & thumper come back in.
Live & let Live, Love & let Love, Rock & let Roll, plus related clichés.
I sure do hope you guys keep this thread going, I love it. I'm on a two hour bike ride before tea and I expect plenty of interesting posts to read tonight, that's if I'm not too tired. So out with the wit and on with the thinking caps boys. Hope raven & thumper come back in.
Thank you Jazza :blink: The only problem is that I don't know exactly what we are supposed to be discussing now LOL
Seems like this thread has run outta steam so IÂ’ll try and arc up the boiler with a few shovel fulls of coal and take this train down a sidetrack. IÂ’ve always wondered Â… Does the singer of a rock band also have the title of musician, even if they donÂ’t play a musical instrument?
Also, when does a muso start being a muso? Is a child called a muso if they learn a song on the recorder for the first time at school opposed to a person who plays a musical instrument as a form of income in a super group? Or someone in between or all of the above? I donÂ’t aim to start up any of that pro vs hobby-muso stuff. IÂ’m only interested in what membersÂ’ thoughts are, especially about the terminology.
I looked up the definitions of three words in my dictionary, then found a statement when I googled the Wikipedia encyclopedia. This only added to my confusion and intrigue.
Maquaqrie dictionary.
Music: 1. An art of organising sound in significant forms to express ideas and emotions through the elements of rhythm, melody, harmony and colour. 2. The tones or sounds employed, occurring in single line (melody) or multiple lines (harmony). 3. Musical work or compositions for singing or playing.
Musician: 1. one who makes music a profession esp. as a performer on an instrument. 2. one skilled in playing a musical instrument.
Singer: one who sings, a trained vocalist.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
A singer is a musician who uses his or her voice to produce music. Usually, singing refers to vocal melody only, though vocalist is a similar term, which also encompasses non-melodic sounds and effectively includes anyone using their voice as part of a musical composition. In European classical music and opera, voices are treated just like musical instruments. Composers write music for these instruments, understanding the skills and vocal properties of the singers. Singers build careers by specialising in certain musical styles.
Hey tggsb, according to the above, you are a muso if you can sing in the shower! ... or maybe not?
Live & let Live, Love & let Love, Rock & let Roll, plus related clichés.
To answer your first question... Yes a singer is a musician just like a guitarist or a drummer is a musician.
The dictionary definition of a musician is crap... A kid doing athletics on a Saturday is an athlete eventhough he doesnt get Corn Flakes endorsements and gets paid to run.
A musician isnt necessarily someone who makes music a profession. Look at how roots music was played and the people who played it. They were farmers, labourers who often played socially and sang about things in their lives. They didnt make a quid out of it. Were they not musicians?
The defintion of a singer is also a bit crappy too... Elvis Presley want a trained vocalist. By that defintion hes not a singer. Yeah right. A singer is someone who sings.. A bass player is someone who plays bass.
A person becomes a musician when the feeling of performing rushes through the blood and all his troubles are forgotten while he/she is playing.
A person also becomes a muso when they begin to place things like friends, dates, even romance on the back burner behind his/her love of playing.
A person becomes a muso when their partners start saying things like. "you and that bloody band"... LOL
The little prep kid playing the recorder becomes a muso when he starts hanging out for any chance to play it... even better if its in front of an audience.
Thumper
Life is what happens to you when you're busy making other plans - J. W. Lennon
Baby - Innocent - Screamer
Kid - Trouble - Noisy
Teenager - Know All - Garage Band Player
Adult - Egotist - Thinks HeÂ’s a Star
Middle Aged - Desperate - Too Late To Be a Star
Old Age - Humble - How good Was I ?
Death - Peaceful - Remembered as a MUSO.
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A person also becomes a muso when they begin to place things like friends, dates, even romance on the back burner behind his/her love of playing.
A person becomes a muso when their partners start saying things like. "you and that bloody band"... LOL
This reminded me of a blog I have stored on my hard drive. I hope you guys have a sense of humor LOL :laugh:
Dating a musician is no easy feat. First you have to realize that the band will always, no matter how important you think you are, come first. If you can't handle that basic point, then don't bother reading the rest of these tips. It's never gonna work out. Move on. Go date a dishwasher.
If you're okay with being second or maybe even tenth - below his tour manager - on his priority list, then you might have a chance of happiness. Keep in mind, not all musicians are total freaks. Some of them can end up being really sweet, especially if they have grown up a little and realize that you love them for who they are and not because their video is playing on MTV.
Don't freak out if he breaks a romantic dinner date on account of band practice. This will happen a lot. Chances are he was looking forward to spending time with you, but spaced a band rehearsal. He means well. Really.
His guitar is his child. Do not borrow it, touch it, trip over it or mock it. Even if it's a purple glitter guitar with a torn Alf sticker on it. His guitar is sacred. His guitar is sometimes his only key to communication. He loves his guitar more than people.
No one understands him and he likes it that way. It makes him feel different and interesting. If you don't get his lyrics or you think his comments can be slightly cruel at times, just deal with it. It's part of his act. If he makes a mantra out of the phrases "you don't understand me" or "you have no idea what it's like to be me," then just let it go. You probably do understand him all too well, and that's what bugs him. You don't always have to be a musician to understand one.
Many musicians also go down the path of indifference. Sometimes it's a direct result of taking anti-depression meds, but on the whole it's just who they are. It's amazing how musicians seem to pour out their souls in their music, but can't handle an emotional conversation with their girlfriends.
On the other side of the coin, your boyfriend might end up being a drama queen. This means he yells a lot about annoying band members or freaks out when the sound system is screwy at his concert. Beware of this type. They often think they are Jesus and have the nail marks to prove it.
If your boyfriend takes up residence in the studio, be prepared: many a relationship gets shoved into the tar pits because either he can't handle the pressure of both a relationship and a record, or you'll get frustrated because he knows how to use a mixing board but somehow forgets how to operate a phone. Personally, I think if your relationship survives the studio stage, it'll survive through anything.
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Where the Hell were you ravenrocks, when I needed you to explain this to my EX wife lol.
Thank christ I met my second wife and the love of my life on stage!!
Heres my advise to all musos, marry a muso, that way at least she knows her place on the food chain hahahahahahaaa..
Only kidding girls :unsure:
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